I had a little more than an hour to kill before my championship softball game (which was subsequently rained out), so I stopped in at Docs, which is near the field for my game. There were 2 1/2 tables going, and both tables looked good. Unfortunately my table didn't have the spewiest fish that plays in the room, it did still have a few guys who make the table great. A few hands follow.
Hand #1 - 3 bet:
I had played one hand so far, where I raised pre in LP with Q5s, and check folded a T96 flop, so my stack was about 190. EP raised to 7, which typically isn't very strong, and I 3 bet next to act with AQo. One of the blinds cold called, who I didn't have a read on, and his stack was about 300. The original raiser called as well. The flop was 853r. Blind checks, initial pre-flop raiser counts out chips like he was going to bet, and then checks. I follow through as that feels weak as hell with a cbet of 45, and the blind quickly calls, initial raiser folds. Turn is a 3, making board 8533. I was planning on betting any face card or ace, but this is a pretty bad card. I don't think I am getting a fold out of a hand like 98, or 99. He checks, and I check behind. River is a T, making board 8533T. He leads out 20 into a pot of 150ish. I have about 130 behind. Does anybody like shoving here, or is it spew? How about barreling the turn?
Hand #2 - Loose preflop call creates weird spot:
I've lost a few hands at this point, and my stack has slipped to about 185. A fish limps, and then a super fish who makes all kinds of spewy plays with marginal hands in weird spots opens to 13. The SB (initial raiser from hand #1 calls), and I make a loose call with As8s, knowing almost 100% of the time that the fish is going to call to close the action. The fish has 100, raiser has 250, and SB has 210. Flop is AxKs8x, giving me two pair. The SB leads out 25, and I elect to just call, in hopes that the initial raiser makes a committing raise, and I can go heads up with him. The first fish folds, and now super fish raises to 75 after a lot of thought and fidgeting. His mannerisms at the time screamed of uncertainty, and though that can be hollywooding, my read was genuine uncertainty. While AK, AA and KK are options, I think a hand like AJ or AQ are far more likely based on his mannerisms. But now the surprise part comes in. I was trying to convey an aura of disinterest, but was surprised by the SB, who now shoved for 210. My initial read is that the SB is aggro. All-in or fold?
Results later.
5 comments:
Hand 1
You can't be surprised if he shows up with some weird hand for trips or a boat--especially @ Doc's :)
Depending on your read, however, I like a shove on the river. He could be trying to buy the pot "for cheap".
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Hand 2
Scary bets and you're not pot committed by any means. Puke fold?
On a lot of boards like this I see people shove with Kx. They think, "damnit! I hit a king but an ace fell too. I'll win with a big ol' bet. Yeah, that's the ticket."
I guess the problem is you have TWO guys showing strength. If you can't soul read them you gotta give one of them credit for a better hand than yours. That said, I'd probably snap call.
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Chak...thanks for the comments. Do you play at Doc's often?
Hand #1: I folded. Shoving has some merit, but I wasn't sure that I would play the overpair I would be repping that way, unless it were aces.
Hand #2: I shoved, the guy that made it 75 folded and showed an ace. SB had K8 for a smaller 2 pair and I held up.
I played there like all of August, September, and October last year. Then my wife had a kid in December, and I play very infrequently. If you see a fat donkey rebuying for the third time, it's probably me :)
I wish I had not read the results, but here were my thoughts fwiw.
Hand #1: I'm checking that card all day as it doesn't change anything in the other player's mind. You can take a free card and hope to hit an ace or a queen on a cheap showdown. I'm never calling a shove or raising the river as our one pair hits their two pair range. I might bet an ace or queen for value if checked to. As played I just fold river.
Hand #2: I'm still worried about the player behind you, who could have AK or a set. But! Fish love to slow play and this is not a scary board to do so. I also thought sb probably had K8, so I'm calling him heads up all day. I was going to say fold with strength still to act behind you, but now that seems like mubsy thinking. I think it was fine as played especially with good reads on regs.
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